On Charasmatic witchcraft

Question:
in the training that the Lord had taken me through, I realised just how very much Charismatic witchcraft there had been going on.

People walking around with a "name claim frame" mentality, decreeing things that the Father is not decreeing, speaking and claiming things, which is not in the Fathers plan for now.

Because we Christians equals "God is good" means every lonely single needs to be married now, and every sick person needs to be healed right now, and every poor person needs to receive money right now, without a sensitivity to where the Spirit is right now in that persons life, we end up working then often against the Father and his immediate purposes with a person rather than with Him. Not saying healing isn't available for believers nor that he wants to meet our needs. But it is often not when we want it and as Joseph's story, Abraham's story and even Samuel's mothers story testifies, God's timing is perfect, and sometimes God makes us wait painfully long for release and that is not because He is unkind or unloving, but because His wisdom sees more and has eternal purposes in mind.

So that makes me so hesitant even to pray. I don't want to pray soulish prayers for people. It is like witchcraft when we start pushing in the soul for things to happen, which is not birthed from the Spirit.

We need so much help. We can't please God in any other way but by the Holy Spirit. And all the many 10 steps to this and 7 steps to that formulas we have learned in churches is often no more than philosophy, motivational speeches or even Charismatic witchcraft even where we arm wrestle with God, and it really is our soul that wants its own demands met, how loving and noble even it may seem.

Everytime I get back to dependence.
Everytime I get back to the fact that we can do absolutely nothing without Him.
That we are like the lame. We are not able to contribute. We can only yield. And God will get all the glory. This is part of the purification that needs to come in the church today. All self-reliance and independence programs needs to be stripped away.

Do you share this view?

Answer:
There's a timing to when God will finally step it in and do it Himself because He can't find His image in the earth willing to do it themselves, but we are His righteousness and there's no point in the righteousness unless we are His righteousness and reign with Him a thousand years. I can't find anything in the Word about pleasing Him through Holy Spirit from cover to cover. That comes closer to Hindu/Buddhist/Taoist ideas of conformity to breathing and their whole system related to the Force or whatever.  If there isn't reliance upon the Written Word for each and every thing, then there is zero yeilded to Him.  The moment we stop relying upon the Written Word, we've stopped relying upon Him.  Witchcraft is any prayer without the Word for someone that's supposed to be a disciple.  Yes, the heathen can cry out for mercy and obtain it without their stack of Scriptures, but our lives aren't to be lived like the thieves that died on the Cross beside Him with one of them entering into Paradise because he asked and the other one entering into Paradise because he said that if He was Christ, then He'd save Himself and them.  Just because one of them accused the other one of not fearing God, doesn't mean there was something there that Christ didn't hear and answer with mercy.  And just because someone doesn't always understand how a stand of faith relates to receiving His wisdom and His further spoken promises about the situation when the Written Word has come to harvest on the general promises of the Word in one's heart -- doesn't mean there's Charismatic witchcraft going on.  That's genuinely rare in the Body of Christ on the part of anyone that's not an accuser of that.  God only gets the glory when it's according to His system, His Kingdom system, and Lord Jesus isn't going to step out of God's will to meet your need or mine or anybody else's.  It's all going to be according to the Written Word.  He's sinning against Father for nobody!  Self reliance and independence programs are anything that's not based firmly on the rock of the Written Word in a context where you're talking about disciples that should know better.

Reply question:
Well, people can easily justify what they want to do based on the written Word, for there are many scriptures to be "picked" on based on what it is what an individual wants to do or to justify.


Paul didn't use prayer for all sickness, once he prescribed some wine.

If one is not yielded to the Spirit and cherry pick the verses you want to use, you can easily appear to be rock solid based on the Word for everything you do.

Wouldn't you agree?

Reply answer:
Perhaps if someone isn't feeding on the Word but is only dealing in scripture quotation from memory, then from memory rather than fresh feeding on it, perhaps all kinds of things can come into that from their own vain imaginations.  It just comes down to how submitted they are to Him, and for many people, that degree of being yielded to all of the Scriptures will vary in intensity throughout their lives, if they've never spent quality time totally emmersed in it.  I like taking a book of the Bible, particularly the New Testament, and reading it over and over again aloud and doing that 'til there's an experience with His Spirit, no matter how many hours are involved.  That way, mind's renewed, heart is yielded to Holy Spirit, tongue's crucified, subconscious has the tools to bipass any traditions one may currently have zero basis for knowing are in error or incomplete in understanding, etc., and additionally, spiritual realities can be created with the balance of His wisdom in the context in which they were given so that you're not just quoting an isolated verse, but are calling forth His intended ends and receiving any correction along the way so you get to keep it rather than get in a situation of bungling it.